2014 Fool’s Dual Race Report – Breaking the white tape

On Sunday, I once again returned for some running in Gloucester. It took me two years to make my way back, but it ended up being a worthy day!

The race is called Fool’s Dual because they offer a 5K and a half-marathon for those of us that are dumb enough to complete both races back to back.The 5K registration goes up $35 and the half at $69 while both races are $89. Clearly, its not only foolish, but economically smart to do both ;).

The 5K started at 8AM but since I still had to pick up my bib number, I decided, I should get there around 7:45 with a 40 minute drive from home. The alarm was set for 6:30 but after working so late all week, waking up so early was not something I craved on a Sunday morning. Tony even tried to convince me that it’s okay, I can oversleep the 5K and just run the half! Luckily, I told him, no way buddy, get up, let’s go!

And then I discovered at 7:10 that I had absolutely nothing to eat! Yea, ladies, if you suddenly leave for weeks and don’t do food shopping, you can expect that your significant other isn’t doing it either. I found some peanut butter and flatbread pizza bread and decided, sure, it’s carbs, it’s peanut butter, it’ll work and with a cup of tea, out the door we went.

Number pick up was super easy and about 1 minute walk from the starting line. Swagbag came with some nice sponsor samplers and a shirt that was a size too big.

And at 8AM, the “gun” went off for the 5K. I don’t have a mile to mile break down, as I feel like it all happened too fast. I read some accounts calling the course hilly, but I honestly thought it had more of a decline than an uphill net gain. I remember on the drive over, we passed by this crazy hill and I prayed to running gods that I would not be running there, but the gods answered me in a better light. We ran down that hill and came back up a more mild way.

The one thing I remember that was making everything so difficult was the wind! I don’t know what direction it was coming from, but it always felt like it was in my face.

At around mile 2, I noticed that I haven’t had any female pass me yet. I tried to look back and see if anyone was near by, but couldn’t see anyone but another dude. Things were starting to feel painful but I decided to go with it! I could tell that my Saturday 18 miler was definitely making my legs feel heavy. The only good thing about 5Ks is that the pain is over relatively quickly. I knew that with a mile to go, I have less than 10 minutes. As I approached the finish line, I saw them putting up the tape back and before I knew it, I was running across it!

Finish line

Now picture me with a white tape looking confused because I still didn’t believe I was in first place for women and 9th overall.

Official time was 20:54:7! It’s not my best time and it’s not anything special, but sometimes showing up is more than half the battle! After crossing the finishing line, I grabbed some water, bananas, and went to wake up my driver/assistant who slept through my whole glorious moment!

I quickly made my way into the changing room, aka our Prius, for an outfit change.

Fools Dual Half

I knew that by giving my all, on tired legs for the 5k, I was going to have a pretty miserable half marathon. As I waited for start time (9AM), I could feel the lactic acid building up. Luckily, I had my compression socks to help relieve some of the soreness in my calves.

As the “gun” went off, my legs seemed to forget about the 5K they just ran 30 minutes ago, and wanted to push; however, by mile 3 they started to remember. Or maybe it was the hills that went up and down, down and up.

Fools Dual Hills

The course is an out and back rolling hill party. Every time we hit a downhill, I would curse because I knew I would see the uphill on the 2nd half of the course. As mile 4 rolled in, the only thing I could focus on was to remind myself that I only had about 2 miles (I like to round down) to get to the halfway point. At mile 5.5, I saw the Welcome to Rockport sign that reminded me that I’m almost halfway there.

As I started to reach the 7 mile marker on the return, I got a second, or maybe it was my third wind… Everything seems better when there’s only a 10K left.

My original goal was to finish under 2 hours, but I slowly bumped it up to 1:50 around mile 7; by mile 9, I dreamed about a 1:45 that faded into a sub 1:40 and PR by mile 10! I think, I was reaching my 4th wind at this point.

Fools Dual Ocean

It helped that for once in my racing days, I had perfect, beautiful water with amazing waterfront views. It’s always raining when I’m racing.

I ended up crossing the finish line at 1:40:48, about 2 minutes slower than the last time I ran this course two years ago.

Final Time

Why my Garmin is calling the course short is weird to me. I remember for half the course it was saying I was .1 mile long and somehow on the second half I cut off .2 of a mile? Maybe my Garmin took a nap somewhere at mile 8 as I was contemplating taking a nap myself.

Either way, while I didn’t reach a PR, a course PR, or my last second goal of sub 1:40, the time I ran was good enough. I ended up being 4th in my age group and 3rd overall female in the fools dual, combined time of both races. I lost second place by 8/10th of a second!

Awards

The day was truly a lesson in that sometimes, the hardest part was just showing up. Sure, there are countless faster runners in Boston and north shore area, but luckily they all decided to stay home, sleep, or somewhere else. What did I win? ONE BILLION DOLLARS… of bragging rights, these cool award paper things and awesome memories. I also got three $10 gift certificates to use towards shoes at Greater Boston Running Company, a sponsor. Although I haven’t been able to confirm if I can combine them to get $30 off shoes instead.

Key race review points

PRO – Beautiful, scenic course

Fools Dual

PRO/CON – Hilly course, but what goes up must come down and I think the hills make it a more fun of a run

CON – Roads are not closed and while it wasn’t an issue at 9AM at the start of the race, it became a little bit frustrating after 10AM when a lot more cars were on the road. Since the shoulder was very small, trying to bypass another runner, or even just running alone felt a little stressful at every curve.

PRO – Reasonable Price and great value for the course, support and distance

CON – The free shirt was too large for me and the visor we get for running both races was too large as well and felt cheap. The shirt felt nice, but was just too large for me to ever run in. I personally prefer for races to charge less and not offer free shirts since they all seem to always be too large.

PRO- WELL MARKED! This is so important, especially on a winding 5K course. I never felt confused or lost at all!

PRO – Amazing volunteers, great race director and overall a great small race vibe! This year they had about 500 half marathons and 200 or so runners on the 5K course.

I would love to return to Gloucester/Rockport for more racing!

Winter Classic 5K Race Recap

For the second time this year, I toed the line of a 5K. This time in Cambridge at the Winter Classic. The race took place December 8th at 10:30 AM. The cost was $30 plus fees and included your choice of pint glass or hat, a long sleeve tech shirt and beer!

You can sign up as an individual or as a team. Teams of 15 people or more got some perks, like their own beer supply, a table and a tent to chat around. Although, if you stopped by the team VIP area before the race, almost no one was there due to the cold.

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I’m rocking the I slept 4 hours and ran a bit look. O well, at least the shirt looks good. I’ve been wanting a black long sleeve to run in!

They had pre-race number pick-up for two days before the race, but I ended up grabbing my number before the start. It was easy and organized. It looked like all the volunteers knew what they were doing. They also arranged places for us to stay in doors and be warm before the race started. Basically the lobby of some of the business there and they had real bathrooms so I was content. Real bathrooms over portapottys always makes a race a winner.

The day was cloudy with high of 30 degrees and the wind chill making it feel like 25 degrees. So yes, most of us accepted the offer to wait in warmth before the race started.

At 10:30 the race started on time. They didn’t have corrals, but did have markings of where to stand based on your expected pace. I in my usual fashion, wobbled myself over to the front. I didn’t really expected myself to be fast, but I like starting in the front.

I was also running with some co-workers so I had two goals in mind. Maintain a 7 minute pace, and beat my co-workers.

The first mile fast, easy and hard at the same time. I forgot, how difficult and drying the cold air could be. I held back a cough and tried to old on. I saw one of my co-workers run ahead me and I decided to let him go. Around the mile and a half point I dosed off a bit as I noticed my pace slowing down into the 7s, so I told myself to snap out of it. Luckily, around that point, we hit the downhill part of the course and I whipped it into gear. I passed my main target and kept going for fear of falling behind again.

There was no mile markings that I saw, but I had a garmn that told me everything I would want to know. I was glad that I remembered to bring it last minute because it helped me manage my effort.

As I hit the 3 mile mark, with only .1 miles and a finish line in sight, I realized there was time for a PR. I kicked and kicked and kicked until I thought I would throw up the crab dip I ate for breakfast. Word of advice, don’t eat crab dip for breakfast, no matter how yummy it is before a 5K.

The good part about 5Ks is that everyone finishes together within a few minutes or so. And then there;s beer to be drunk!

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Tell me something about your weekend?

Do you run 5ks? What’s your favorite?

The race I beat the fastest Kenyan – Boston Marathon Recap

I’m warning you that this review will probably sound really negative but truth is with the heat and my hunger there would have been very few things I would have enjoyed even if I was running in Hawaii. The volunteers and the organizers did an amazing job. The truth is I just wasn’t prepared for the heat or running at that specific time of day.  I got my butt handed to me by Boston. However, that’s okay. I tried to stay safe and it’s a good thing I’m already qualified for next year because I’ll be coming back in 2013 for a rematch. Boston, I’m killing you next year =). With Boston’s bipolar weather, it’ll probably snow next year.

The 116th Boston Marathon took place on Monday April 16th, 2012 with a start time of 10:40 AM. Registration was $150 if qualified $300 if charity plus $6,000 fundraising requirement. It ain’t cheap running Boston.

I woke up at 6:30 and got dressed and cleaned in 15 minutes to be out the door by 6:45. I skipped coffee and food thinking there would be some at the athlete’s village. I felt fantastic and was excited for the day even if I barely slept and kept waking up every hour thinking I missed my alarm.

I got to the Commons by 7:15 (why we had traffic at 6:45 AM on marathon Monday, I have no idea) and got on a long line to board the Bus to ship us off to Hopkinton. The line took about 30 minutes but seemed orderly given the amount of runners and anxiety that was in the air. We hit some traffic but I think we were in the village by 8:40 or so giving me 2 hours to bask in the sun of anxiety and heat. I made friends with some runners from Vancouver on the bus line and ride over there.

This photo is incredibly misleading of the scene. I think my hand covered my phone lens but there was no shade other than those tents. The field was a clambake of runners. I think it was already 70 when I got off the bus. All the spots under the tent were taken up by faster runners in the 10AM wave or their friends. So instead I took a small walk around the field and munched on a bagel. Found some sharpies and decorated myself. Luckily I had a blanket and was able to relax in the sun as I battered myself up in sunblock andB Vaseline. They had water and I took two bottles to get me through the next two hours. I was already sweating, sweating hard from sitting and it was only 70. Runner’s world claims they had food vendors there. I did not see any in disappointment. I would have gone all Hunger Games style on someone had an ice coffee been offered to me. I also wasn’t feeling the bagel or PowerBar. Powerbar did an amazing job sponsoring the fuel with no shortage the whole time but I would have given up their 8 grams of protein for 8 grams of more carbs that were not in bagel form. I left my oatmeal and pita bread at home thinking I could buy breakfast at the village. Rookie mistake # 1: Always have your own breakfast and fuel; don’t rely on the race.Finally around 10:10 my wave (3rd one starting at 10:40 was called and we slowly and painfully zombie strolled to the starting line. I made my first portapotty stop in my race history which wasn’t as bad as I imagined. I tried to be bad and sneak into an earlier corral but they kicked me back to 9. I think it took me around 30-40 minutes before I made it to the start of the race (approx 3/4 mile)

I ran my first 5K in 23:08. Some might say that was too fast but honestly I’m used to running on hills and it felt like nothing to me. I was at the 10K mark at 48:17 which some might say was too fast but I still felt good. Some guy thought he was being funny.

I rejoiced when I saw the “15” sign only to cry later when I realized it was 15K and not 15 miles. I think this was when I started to get heat exhaustion because I stopped thinking clearly. My face at realizing the 15K was not 15 miles.

When I hit 20K I was in the 1:48 territory and have started my run/walk fiasco usually reserved for mile 24. It was nearing 1PM and way past my lunch time. It’s been four hours since I munched on half of a disappointing small bagel and my stomach was letting me know that. I tried to run, it screamed I’m hungry. I tried to jog, my stomach still kicked and screamed I’m hungry. I tried to walk and it didn’t let me forget about my lack of real food. And so began some of the 15 slowest, worst miles of my short running history thus far.

I was hitting the half-point at 1:55:18 and was seriously doubting my ability to finish this race. However, I knew people were tracking me, people donated in my name to Boston Medical Center and although everyone would have understood, I still did not want to give up without a fight. Suddenly I saw my angel. A little boy handed me a cup of Swedish fish. So I found a shaded area in the spectator area, sat down and finished off my cup of pure heaven sugar.

And so began my 15 mile walk. I thought this was just like the walk for hunger (ironic name for a 20 mile charity walk to end hunger in Boston) only with no 10 mile sandwich break. I heard people were giving out hot dogs, burgers and popsicles but I guess by the time the slow runners and walkers got there all the kind souls have run out of food. There were still plenty of amazing people handing out ice and I thank everyone one of them as I chewed on some and stuck ’em in my sports bra. I was sweating boobs and it was not pretty.

With a lot of walking and sitting the miles somehow passed by. I loved seeing that “All In” posters, from Hopkinton to Ashland to Framingham to Natick. I listened to This American Life, some music and I took a lot of sit breaks. I’ve never worn a heart strap but I know the feeling of heat stroke and exhaust (in my dumber/younger days I literally passed out twice from heat exhaustion at music festivals). Every once in a while my heart would start racing again from walking and I would sit down to slow my heart rate, and drink more water.

After the annoying BC kids (sorry but they were just too loud for how exhausted and miserable I felt), my favorite part of the course began around mile 21 when I hit familiar ground. My friends! I found Tony with some of our friends Paola & Kyle who took the above and many other awesome photos!

I couldn’t run even down hill without wanting to die from side cramps. As I approached Cleveland Circle I commanded Tony to buy me a bag of pretzels. I was so hungry, very few instances in my life could compete with how starving and light-headed I felt. He walked with me for half a mile before he got too scared of all the water sprinklers being turned on for all the runners. I was left to be at the mile 23 sign with a bag full of pretzels. Needless to say, this made me quite the popular girl in the back of the pack.

At mile 24 I saw more awesome friends with a sign =)

Not pictured is Ana who was taking the photo! <333 My amazing friends somehow got my body to run an extra mile after this boost when I’ve been walking the past 10 miles.

Around mile 25, I saw Tony’s parents and I sprinted a few blocks before taking once again another sit break. I probably would have taken more sit breaks when my friends were not watching but with all the spectators there was very little room to do so in the last 5 miles.

The distance between Kenmore Square and Copley Square has never in my entire Boston life seem so far. I almost cried when I saw the finish line. It felt like I was climbing a mountain, but since I knew there was cameras I pretended to run.

I don’t know how I did it, but somehow in 5:10:54 I finished the race/walk. I’m writing Boston off a half marathon run and a half marathon walk. When I got home after eating a bag of chips, a bar and two bananas I was still down 6 pounds from when I weighted myself that morning. I stopped at almost every water station and drank enough water that I had to use a portapotty a second time during the race.

The results of my 2nd marathon are quite in contrast to my first debut last month. I went from a 3:24 finish to a 5:10.B While a huge part of me is very disappointed by my performance I don’t know if I could have done a whole lot better with the little training I had for this weather. I’m still a fairly new long distance runner. I only started running more than 5 mile runs in December. My training has been in New England winter and although mild, it was still Winter. Earlier this week, I had my heat turned out. My body is not ready for 75 degree weather, let alone 90 degrees. I probably should not had sat in the sun for the two hours I was waiting for my wave to start. I probably should have eaten a ton more than half a crappy little bagel. I probably should not have went for a 10 mile run the day before. Maybe I drank too much, but probably not enough. Maybe I drank too muchB GatoradeB and my stomach did not like it and cramped up. There’s countless reasons for my awful performance; but I finished. I finished and I earned my metal and in the end with 90 degree weather that was all that I could do. I finished standing up with my head held high and not on a stretcher.

BAA and all the volunteers did an amazing job given the conditions. A few statistics I read online.

* 427 Picked up their packets and did not start the race

* 26,716 runners registered for today’s marathon, versus 22,426 who actually started the race

* Most amazing performance to me was Jason Hartmann who finished in 2:14:31 out doing his Olympic trials of 2;16:44. His PR was 2:11:06 at Chicago 2010 which was also a hot race. I guess this guys likes it hot.

* Geoffrey Mutai who holds Boston Marathon record, dropped out in the Newton hills past the 30-kilometer mark with stomach cramps. He said in a brief post-race appearance that his stomach started bothering him at 25K. That is what I mean by beating the world’s fastest Kenyan. He dropped out, while I finished. Although he has cooler things to worry about like the Kenyan Olympic team and the London Marathon.

I’m going to stop here but words cannot express everything I felt on this day. I can’t wait until next year =)

Frogs Legs and Trail Racing

A couple of days ago, I asked Tony how’d he feel about driving me 2 hours south to Rhode Island so I can do another marathon two days before Boston. B He responded absolutely not. B Puppy dog teary eye didn’t work on him so I gave up. B Luckily, that didn’t deter me too much. B Instead I looked up other events in the area. B I signed up for a half May 12th that we’ll run together. B However, something loomed in the back of my mind.

Eureka! B I suddenly remembered that a dailymiler friend of mine was doing a marathon at the end of April. B I initially looked at it and decided not to do it because I wasn’t sure how long it would take me to recover from Boston (before I became the crazy addict I currently am just a few weeks later). B This race is the TARC Spring Classic.

Much to my disappointment the race was sold out (with only a $20 registration fee who can blame them); however, there was a waitlist. B Its also only 20 minutes out of Boston! B I signed up for that, and somehow signed up for the 50K instead of the marathon. B Whats a few more miles right? B I can crawl them! B Besides it was just a waitlist, I didn’t really expect space to open up.

Today, I got an email saying I’m off the waitlist and to confirm that I’m still interested. B Of course! B Who doesn’t view a 50K as the best way you can spend a Saturday morning.

So now, a month after running my first marathon, I’m doing my first Ultra as well as my first trail race. B My Daily Mile friend said the course is fairly flat and not that trail intense. B I’m putting my trust in her and hoping I don’t lose a limb on this excursion.

My work cafeteria gets creative sometimes and decided to serve something new:

Yup, frog butts in cream sauce. B It was french cuisine and that was what was in the hot station. B I guess they ran out of chicken?

Some more running motivation borrowed from Runner’s World. B I’m slowly catching up on my long list of magazines to read.

If this guy can do it at 81, me and my 25 year old bag of bones have no excuse!

I’m still amazed that until 1972 females were not allowed to run the Boston Marathon. B Nina and other runners like her are an inspiration to us all!

Have you ever ran a trail race? B Whats the biggest difference? B How should I prepare? B I know I’ll have to carry my own fuel belt and I might get some less slipper sneakers. B Any tips?

Some cool Boston Marathon events

Today I ran 12 miles, two times of 6 miles each. B Two more miles than the B planned 10 but I felt too good to not run. B Taper be damned! B But I kept them at incline 2 and at whatever speed I felt comfortable at!

I wish I could attend every Boston Marathon weekend event but with my parents visiting this weekend and Tony and I closing on a house I’ll have to keep my Boston Marathon event and expo visit short and sweet. B However, on Friday I’m going to attend this event courtesy of Saucony.

Friday, April 13th, 6:30-10:30pm
The Cyclorama at the Boston Center for the Arts (539 Tremont Street)

Hors dboeuvres & beverages, including beer/wine will be provided (woot dinner!)

Kick-off your Boston Marathon experience with Saucony. Hear inspiring stories of strong from all-star panel of athletes:

B7 Bill Rodgers: 4X winner Boston & NYC Marathon
(Find Your Strong in the Boston Marathon)
B7 Karen Smeyers: 3X world triathlon champion and Ironman Kona champion. (Passion, Perseverance & Perspective)
B7 Mark Herzlich: 2012 NFL Super Bowl Champion, Boston College All-American. (Up Yours Cancer! The Fighting Spirit in Us All)
Moderated by Sharon Barbano: National race commentator, 1984 US Olympic Marathon trials competitor; V.P., Public Relations, Saucony

A special tribute in memory of Caballo Blanco, mythic hero of Born To Run, will be given by Luis Escobar, his close friend and a renowned ultra-marathoner.

Runners are invited to try Sauconybs award-winning line of footwear; coaches and treadmills available for one-on-one coaching.

Registration is only $5 and goes completely to charity so sign up here

I also spent some time trolling the Running world forums for tips here’s a few I stole from the noble wise men and women of the forum. B Most are either direct quotes orB paraphrasedB directly from others. B My thoughts are inB bold italics.B

  • Take a roll of Duct Tape to athletes village (AV).B Use it to reinforce the seams of your checked bag and tape it shut before you hand it in.B Bags have been known to split on people.
  • Take a black sharpie and print your bib number on your gear check bag in a few places. Even though you’ll be putting your bib number sticker on the bag I have found that having your number in more than one place speeds up bag pickup!
  • Wear sunscreen. B I can’t stress this enough. B The race starts at 10am and the sun will by high in the sky the entire race. B If you’re in the 3rd wave like me, you won’t start until 10:40 and might become a lobster before the fnish.B
  • Take some plastic (or pool raft, or cheap air mattress) to sit / lay on in AV.B The grass is often wet and you want to sit down. Not sure where I’ll be getting a raft, maybe a giant garbage bag to nap on.
  • Speaking of AV, it might rain Sunday or Monday, and I heard the grass stays wet, you’ll be waiting there a while before the race starts. B I read some people bring old shoes to wear before the start that they’re okay with donating.
  • The walk from athletes village to the start line is about a mileb&.make sure you leave with enough time to get to the start line and use the portolets.
  • The line for the portolets at the start line (Colellabs market) is usually pretty long.
  • Bring extra toilet paper, baby wipes and everything that makes you feel great. B Cleanliness is godliness…
  • Take the BAA busses to AV, you will have fun talking to the person who you randomly sit with, you wonbt have to worry about getting there on time, and the sight of all the runners boarding theB busesB at the Commons is pretty cool.
  • Right after you crest Heartbreak hill you will come to this massive downhill, hold back or you will pay.B ItB isn’tB called the graveyard mile just because it runs by a graveyard.
  • High-five all the kids you will see on the course.B I hate kids but people seem to enjoy this. B The spectators at this race are beyond incredible.
  • When you make that last left onto Boylstonb&..be prepared for itb&.it is awesome!
  • When you cross the finish line, pass directly under one of the clocks, look up at the media platform that runs across the length of Boylston Street — where the Marathon Foto photographers are taking pictures — and give the victory pose of your choice for a great finisher’s photo. B And whatever you do, DO NOT reach across your chest to turn off your stopwatch or you’ll block your bib and wind up spending hours combing through the lost and found photos.
Weekend & Expo Tips
  • You wonbt like driving in Bostonb&.do as little of it as you have to.B The subway works great and is easy to use.B There is a 7 day unlimited use pass that is very reasonable in price. B Its $15, but personally I think you can walk everywhere unless you’re trying not to tire out your legs
  • There is a very cheap (on the weekend) parking garage under the Boston Commons.B The entrance is off Charles street about halfway through the park. B Although if you’re in the metro area, take the T
  • There are free posters in the Adidas booth of the expo with every runnerbs name on it.B Make sure you get oneb&.only take oneb&.they run out.
  • Try your shirt on when you pick it up, they will exchange it for you, if they can, if itB doesn’tB fit.
  • Go watch the BAA 5k and the mile races Sunday morning. Desiree Davila (second place Olympic marathon trials) will be there, and it is really neat to see the pro and scholastic mile races.B Impressive stuff, and free entertainment.
  • If you want a good picture under the finish line Sunday morning before the races is a good time.B The road is closed and everything is there. (I’m not sure this is true?)
  • If you drive home after the race wear your new shirt or jacketb&.wave to all the other runners you will see on the road doing the same. (I have no desire on buying stuff, registration fee was high enough, but if you do, flaunt it!)

Races, Races, Races

Aside from loving to run, I love racing. B None of my friends are runner, runners so the only time I get to test my speed is during races. B Problem, races cost money. B When you try to explain to people that you are paying to run you get a few funny looks. B I guess those funny looks make you doubt your spending. B Then again how is $60 on a race any different then spending $60 on dinner and drinks. B Are my morning excursions any worse than your evening ones? B Do I really warrant that look?

None the less, I still registered. B Twin Lights Half MarathonB 5/12/2012 inB GloucesterB Massachusetts! B Two weeks before Boston’s run to remember; another half marathon. I love the half marathon distance. B Its long enough to warm up and still speed up. B Another reason why I’m excited for the Twin Light Half is because its a small race. B The race is capped at 1,000 runners. B That means no corrals, no waiting half an hour for a potty, no 10:40 AM start, no hour long bus ride several hours before the race. B Score!

This evening I did a post work run. B 10.49 miles in 1hr26min for an 8:11 Pace. B The weather was perfect! B Perfect evening before our predicted snowstorm. B Why we’re getting a snowstorm after 70 degree weather? B Because its New England.

MyB splits (look at me getting technical)B are a bit all over the place because some parts were on a trail, some had street lights, some I ran with Tony, some I ran with myself